White Spot on Clown

Discussion in 'Marine Fish' started by jarjor, May 20, 2017.

  1. jarjor

    jarjor Copepod

    should I be concerned with this? The fish is acting "normal" at the moment and eating great. White spot is after his second white band in the middle.

    Thanks!
     

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  2. Kim

    Kim Secretary Staff Member

    Hiya,

    How long has he been in there? Anything stressing him out? It looks like it might be Ick.
     
  3. jarjor

    jarjor Copepod

    Only 7 days. So, that is stress enough!

    It's strange that I can only see the spot in the AM on the ramp up of my lights. No sign of it midday.
    I wonder if it might have been a wound that is still healing or hopefully not ich that is forming.

    Thanks for the reply!

    Jarrett
     
  4. LJC6780

    LJC6780 Grouper

    Did you quarantine him before adding him to the display?
     
  5. huntindoc

    huntindoc RRMAS BOD Membership Director Staff Member

    A little unusual to only see a single spot with ich. I'm guessing/hoping it's a skin defect or injury. Time will tell.

    Clowns are among the most resistant species to ich....velvet is another matter. If it's behavior changes (hiding, avoiding light, breathing hard) that would be suggestive of velvet.
     
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  6. jarjor

    jarjor Copepod

    Ich!

    So Frustrated! If I could catch all these fish without having to tear down my whole aquarium, that'd be great. I just want to get them all out and run it fallow! Ich sucks. 1/5 in a HT being treated but what's the point if she's just going to get reinfected? :( I read that Ruby Reef Kick-Ich can be put in the display tank but didn't want to risk it. As much as I love the fish and all, the corals are much more expensive. :confused:

    http://www.drsfostersmith.com/produ...BN4K1T6Wd_Jy72b4dwW18OFEJMLqVol6lcaAhpy8P8HAQ
     
  7. LJC6780

    LJC6780 Grouper

    I think I'm dealing with this or possibly velvet with my clownfish. I think I want to try this as well as the Rally to take care of both! I want to treat all of my tanks at the same time! Supposedly it's safe for everything ...

    Has anyone used this?
     
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  8. jarjor

    jarjor Copepod

    Marine Depot actually endorses it but then I've read comments on other sites that say it killed everything. Everything is anecdotal and who knows what actually killed their coral. Hopefully someone here has used either Rally or Kick-Ich in their reef tank! :rolleyes:
     
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  9. jarjor

    jarjor Copepod

    I've emailed both Drs. Foster & Smith and Marine Depot to confirm they are BOTH really reef-safe. Also, I am going to contact the actual Ruby Reef company to get their response. I'll keep you updated.
     
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  10. huntindoc

    huntindoc RRMAS BOD Membership Director Staff Member

    It likely is reef safe but despite its claims according to the experts it does not cure ich. It may aide in managing/living with ich.
     
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  11. jarjor

    jarjor Copepod

    Right won't cure it but interrupt the ich life cycle by killing the free swimming tomites.
     
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  12. jarjor

    jarjor Copepod

    Response about Kick-Ich from Marine Depot:
    "Hello Jarrett,

    Thank you for contacting Marine Depot. Ruby Reef Kick Ich is reef safe. I have seen it used on countless reef systems safely. If you follow the directions there should be no issues caused by the Kick Ich. People will often assume a medication to be the problem when other factors caused their system to be in crisis and fail. I would use Kick Ich on my own reef systems without reservation. Please let us know if there is anything further we can do to support you. Thank you for choosing Marine Depot.

    Daniel S.
    Customer Support
    www.marinedepot.com
    1-714-385-0080 x697"
     
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  13. jarjor

    jarjor Copepod

    Response from Drs.:

    "Dear Jarrett,

    Thank you for emailing Drs. Foster & Smith. We apologize for any inconvenience. We did contact the manufacturer and they did state that they can not 100% guarantee that there will be no harm from when using the Ruby Reef KICK-ICH as they do not know the condition of the animals in your tank or the products you have used previously. However, in there 21 years of research they have had no indication that the product would harm any corals or inverts.

    If we can be of additional assistance, please contact our Internet Customer Service Department at 1-800-381-7179, via email or on our Live Help link http://drsfostersmith.custhelp.com/app/chat/chat_launch/ . Live Help is available 8:00 a.m. to 8:00 p.m. CST seven days a week.

    Sincerely,

    Customer Support
    Drs. Foster & Smith

    Kelsey B. "
     
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  14. LJC6780

    LJC6780 Grouper

    Reading he reviews on amazon all day to save your money. Maybe they were looking for a complete cure?

    Since it kills the free swimming stage I wonder if using it every so often would help erradicate it over time.
     
  15. jarjor

    jarjor Copepod

    I'm going to give it a go. If you interrupt that part of the life cycle long enough then it should help erradicate it I would think.

    Just the whole no carbon and no skimmer for 15 days makes my OCD twitch!
     
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  16. LJC6780

    LJC6780 Grouper

    I've done carbon and no carbon and the skimmer bothers me more I think! I don't even like turning it off for 10 hours or so to add bacteria or something.
     
  17. huntindoc

    huntindoc RRMAS BOD Membership Director Staff Member

    I encourage you to look at the fish disease forums on Reef Central and Reef2Reef. According to them...it doesn't kill all free swimming forms of ich and even if it did you would have to treat for 72 days consecutively to eradicate the disease. I wish we did have a reef safe cure. My plan if this happens to me is to focus on pristine water quality and good nutrition to give the fish the best chance to fight it off.

    I will be interested to see what happens if you decide to try it. Just don't be mislead when the fish get better for a few days. That's the natural course of the disease. Many people see the white spots disappear and assume they have it beat....only to have it come back stronger in a short time.
     
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  18. LJC6780

    LJC6780 Grouper

    I think that may be what is happening with my clown Doc. You know I'd seen a couple spots a while back then nothing ... now all of the sudden more spots then almost patchy places ...

    I finally got my selcon in and have been feeding that along with metroplex medicated food.

    So If I fed metroplex then used this would that eliminate 2 stages? What does metroplex actually do? Kill the parasite in the fish or just release it?
     
  19. jarjor

    jarjor Copepod

    @LJC6780 is your clown not rubbing on stuff and flashing? Mine literally only had a couple of spots but was flashing and rubbing all over the frogspawn (which it did not like) for relief. That's when i decided he needed the HT.

    He gets his second treatment of API Super Ich Cure this afternoon but he's not eating at all in the HT. :(
     
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  20. huntindoc

    huntindoc RRMAS BOD Membership Director Staff Member

    Metroplex primary ingredient is metronidazole. It is not thought to be effective enough against ich to kill even all of the free swimming forms. It is also very toxic to inverts (worms, snails, shrimp). It is really good for worms/flukes that are resistant to Prazipro. The only known effective treatments are copper, TTM, chloraquine phosphate and hyposalinity. Unfortunately forms resistant to hyposalinity seem to be getting more common.

    Selcon is a nutritional supplement and a good idea but it doesn't kill any form of ich.
     
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