it looks raised and more cottony so i would say its fungal instead of ich. any meds with prazipro should take care of that for you
It looks like it could be fungas or it could be just be what some call body fungas, which is really a bacterial infection and not a true fungas. I would keep an eye on it and keep the fish well fed and even try soaking some small pellet type food that you know it well eat {formula 2 is good for tangs] in some Kryolic brand liquid garlic and see what happens. It is hard to tell from the picture, but his belly looks pinched, which means he isn't getting enough to eat and that well make him less likely to be able to fight off the problem. Yellow tangs eat alot. Try feeding on top of the other food you feed, hanging some tender hearts pieces of romaine with a clip in the tank, if he won't eat that, try nori, the romaine you can leave in the tank during the day, the nori I would take out after an hour or so as it has phosphates in it, but he may not eat romaine as he looks pretty small, but definitley needs more food if he is to fight this off on his own. The other alternative is to quaranteen him or if you don't have any inverts or corals you can do it in the main tank and you well need to use Maracyn and Maracyn2 for bacterial infections and Maroxy for the fungas. I would start with the first two and see if it is just body fungas, which being a bacterial infection well clear up, but if it is a true fungas then he well need the maroxy also. Prazipro won't do anything as it is for worms and flukes, mostly internal stuff, but none the less parasites, not bacterial of fungas. For right now I would just feed him good so he can gain his strength back and try the Kryolic garlic with pellets, don't soak in frozen food as that is already saturated with water and in my opinion doesn't absorb any, and flake of course falls apart. Good luck and keep us posted.
I just relooked at the second picture and he is really starving. I can see his ribs and his stomach is REALLY pinched in. I would say if he doesn't start right away getting more food he well die. His belly should have some width to it and be nice and full looking, I wouldn't worry about any meds right now, I would immediatley concentrate on fatting him up a bunch.
Thanks everyone! John..for real? This guy eats like a hog! Hmmm..before I was feeding twice a day..small pinch of flakes in the morning & small piece of frozen shrimp at night but a few people said I was overfeeding. Now I feed once a day & I rotate what I feed. I also put some food on the clip at least once a week for the tang... I'll mix up another batch of garlic stuff though.. and if I don't see improvement I will QT with some Maracyn 1 & 2. The reason I was asking if it was ich was because I'm the same person that had the ich prob when I put the hippo in & then shortly after I lost the flaming angel ...remember? So I was thinking maybe there was still some kind of ich or something in there. But the flame did start out with fluffy white on his fin but it was a much bigger spot than that. My water always tests really good so I don't know why I keep having problems.
JoeB I didn't put it together with JenB, which I should have done, sorry. Tangs require a great bit of food, they have verasious appetites, constantly grazing. Your tank has had the rock moved in and out and the pics I saw it had not much for the tang to graze on. I feed my tank 3 times a day, I'm not saying everyone should do that, I run a felt sock 24/7, a big a-- skimmer and tons of flow and most important a shallow sand bed [I'm going to quit using that term as I really run a shallow substrate bed] and keep it stirred. None the less, I am telling you from the second pic I see he well starve shortly. I can see his ribs and his stomach is severaly pinched in. Joe there are varying view points on what and how often to feed, BUT!!! there is no debating the fact that from those pics, that fish is starving to death. Feeding a pinch of food even twice a day is not enough for a tang or an angel. I don't mean this to sound mean, but what if someone fed you only a pinch twice a day, so they wouldn't have to dirty so many dishes???? If you weren't getting enough food yopu would eventually start getting deseases and then starve or die from lack of nutrition. I think I told your wife similar things. Get some Nori in that tank very fast on a clip so he can peck at it for a few hrs EVERY DAY!!!! and feed him some mysis or other good food. Maybe once you get some algae growing on your rocks and stuff for him to graze on, you can cut the Nori back to every other day, along with atleast twice a day other food feedings. Now I'm not saying to flood the tank with food so it doesn't get eaten, BUT you do have to put enough in there to let it swirl around the tank and everyone get some to eat for a FEW MINUTES. I am saying to use Nori right away, and it does release phosphates, but that fish is in dire need of food and I know he well eat nori now [you can buy it in the asian isle at most any market and buy a clip with a suction cup at NSA], clip some in the tank everyday for now until he fattens up and his belly fills out, then you can try to ween him onto some romaine hearts pieces, and leave them in for most of the day. Again I don't mean to sound mean, but someone has been giving you bad advise on feeding. Alot of people are worried about cyno, algae of different kinds out breaks in their tanks , and rightly so. BUT the way to control that is with a kicka-- skimmer, stirred shalow substrate bed, socks, sump and so forth, not starving the fish BY NOT FEEDING ENOUGH. They need to make a decision, am I going to have a system and setup with equipment that well support having fish or do I want to just have mainly a reef tank, to where I don't have to feed hardly any food. You well have to make that decision because there is NO getting around the fact that he is starving. That is why as you say "why is this happening to me?]", as with you or Jen if not fed enough you WELL contract desease and die. Don't mean to sound mean or dramatic, but the pics tell the story. Keep us posted PS I just remembered, Jen said there was a fluff on the flames fin, nothing about most of his fins were gone, one is fungas and one is bacterial, the first being a concern, the second being a major concern from what she later said the extent of the deteriation was of the fins. I suspect that if you take this tang out of the tank to treat, the stress in his weaken condition well kill him as I suspect he is just hanging on now.
Don't know if it helps... but I would think you could feed as much as he (or the fish) will consume in 2 or 3 minutes, as long as they consume it all & it's not settling in the bottom of the tank, you are probably not over feeding. All the Best !!! Hope he recovers !!!
+1 to the good advise in this thread... makes good since to me... I was typing the above - before I read John post above...
John..this is Jen. Confusing..I know. I am always the one on the forums reading & posting. It's just that our log in is JoeB. I should have signed my name at the bottom. When I said shrimp..I am feeding the Mysis that you mentioned. I also have some Green Marine Algae by Seaweed Select that I put on a clip..but I was told by the LFS to just do it once a week. I put some in there now and I fed her some more mysis on top of the flakes I already gave her & added more to her clip. I was feeding more & then everytime I would go in the store they would ask how the tank was & I would say..good except I still have the brown algae. A couple of occasions they asked how often I was feeding & when I told them the girl helping me said..oh no..you are feeding them way too much! And so did this guy that was in there that said he's been in the hobby for all this time..yadda yadda... and how he only feeds every other day. (which I don't do that regardless) So I'm thinking geez..okay..I guess I need to cut back so I did. I could care less if I have to clean the tank more. I do have a skimmer already and I only have a 75 gallon but I have a sump big enough for a 120 running bioballs too. Brand is eshopps...I do have flow in there too. I dont know what a sock is though. I'll look it up on the internet. As for stirring the substrate...I was doing that too and then I got in trouble over that from some peeps too So I stopped. I'll admit you are a fiesty fellow John... I won't get mad at ya though..cuz I do appreciate your advice!! HAHA Jen Oh..as for the flame. That was BEFORE my QT days..so he went straight in ...take it easy on this poor girl I got the QT up & running all the time like you said & I put the flakes in there to keep it cycled. I'm trying to learn here...I really am!!
oh..and thanks Glenn!! You are always so good to respond to everyone on here! I do try to do the 2-3 min rule! Thanks!! Jen
the fishs colors look faded,could be stress from the infection, or could have been a pic right after the lights came on. without asking its hard to guess accurately. but it doesnt appear to be starving to me. it may not be as fat as alot of our fish are but with out a straight on front shot i dont see how anyone can say its about to starve to death. but then again its not the first time or second i have read this recently either. suppliment the diet with vitamins and use the garlic as suggested. it may or may not help but it does seem to boost their appetite. if you can get him out with out stressing him to much then treating in qt wouldnt be a bad option. but often times the stress from capture and transfer along with treating with meds in the new tank is enough to push a sick fish over the edge.
Yes he is starving and I don't need a straight on shot to see that. Jason you don't want to start down this road about fish, you of all people. Advising prazipro for a bacterial infection or fungas is not even close to the cure, so lets just let it go at that. Jen as I said don't take it the wrong way. I am glad you are trying to learn, we all had to start somewhere. I am just trying to help. How often you feed depends on the fish you have, different fish require different feeding techniques. Tangs require quite a bit of food as they are somewhat hyper active as you probably have seen. If you had LR that had something for it to graze on, it would help, but even then they require more food then some. All you can do is go by how the fish looks, and he is not filled out and is thin. That is what I would go by. So I take it you have him in the QT already. I would not feed any vitamins as they well mostly pollute the water unless you are very careful in using them and most food now days have vitamins in them. Keep on with the garlic in the pellets and clip some pieces of the algae sheets in there for him to eat and keep an eye on him, he should start to fatten up and he may kick this on his own. It would not hurt to use the Maracyn and Maracyn2 incase he does have a bacterial infection and it well actually help him to stay healthy even if he doesn't, but I would not treat him now if you have to remove him from the DT to do so. Keep up the good work and don't be afraid to ask questions here. Lets get this problem solved first, then we'll get into socks and bio balls and such.
Hey Jen - check out this links... a good read on food nutrition & presentation http://www.reefsanctuary.com/forums/fis ... ition.html John post got me to thinking about all this... Small extraction below... I have been thinking... this could apply to some of the large fish we keep in our tanks and could very well be related to thier health and ability to fight off ick & other disesases. Feeding Frequency Unless the fish is a strict predator (like a Lionfish), then you should know that the fish eats throughout the day. Most fishes are grazers or nibblers. Large Angelfishes are well known nibblers. Some have been measured to nibble 3 to 5 times every minute on the reef! Ideally they are fed small meals throughout the day just like they eat in the wild. There is a physical reason why this should be: Their digestive track has evolved for this kind of continuous and small intake of foods. Though inconvenient for those of us with full time jobs, the next choice would be three meals per day. In no case should fishes that graze or nibble should be fed less than twice a day. Try to find three times in the day you can feed the fish. Feeding frequency is mentioned in other sections below relating to the foods and types of fishes.
Another good read... How To Feed Macro Algae to Marine Fishes http://www.reefsanctuary.com/forums/fis ... ishes.html
One last one... hope the tang gets fat, happy & healthy ! Food Presentation http://www.reefsanctuary.com/forums/fis ... ation.html
Very good links Glenn, especially the first one, didn't read it all, very long but full of good info I would say, when I have more time I well read. Lee is a good guy and very knowledgeable. Some things I think he overdoes, but you can't go wrong doing it that way. I disagree with him on some things and one being the feeding of lettuce and spinich, and other greens. The Naso I gave to Norman absolutly would not eat any kind of algae, nori, sea veggies so forth so on, but loves romaine heart tips and spinich. What I like about the veggies verses algae is what I have stated before, and that is the algaes are full of phosphates. I think it was Boomer that did a test, can't remember for sure. The romaine you can leave in the tank for several hours and that makes it nice for working people as it gives the fish something to graze on all day. I don't doubt that nori and different algaes are better, probably more nutrition overall, but the veggies well keep them very healthy also. As most everyone knows iceberg lettuce is not worth the material it is made out of but romaine is very nutrious and won't pollute your tank. Another good point is to make sure the nori you buy is not cooked and is naturally processed,it also cost a heck of alot less then those sea veggies and both are algae. I would not leave nori in the tank much over an hour at a time
jen do alittle research on Saprolegnia Fungus . i have treated simular infections with general cure which has both prazipro and metro in it. in reality without doing a briopsy and lab work you wont really know what it is but usually in can be treated easy enough. maracyn is for both grams of bacteria and may have some affect on this. the general recommendation for fungus is a sulpher based med or malachide green which play hell on your biological filtration. do your home work and make an educated guess. thats all you really can do. the maracyns are on the expensive end of meds but they work well for what they are designed to do.
Thank you Glenn! Informative read. I read them both. The more I thought about it..I'm sure the fella, that had been a hobbyist for many years, that was telling me I was overfeeding...for one was more of a reefer..and two..had a much more established tank than mine with probably more to graze on.. So I have to take into consideration what stage I'm at here. I have nothing except fish & an anenome and a fairly young tank I guess. I'm going back to my old feeding habits and going to feed them more. I appreciate the info Glenn! I'm trying to learn all I can. I'm anxious to get more fish in there...but want to do it at the right pace & have a healthy tank. I tried to get some better shots of the front side of my tang today. I'm taking these with a small digital camera..so they may not help. Also..I decided to take a bigger view of my tank & let you guys see. I"ll take my beating if something doesn't look right. I thought the picture may be more accurate at describing what I've got growing in my tank. When I describe it at the store they think I'm overfeeding. Maybe one of you guys can tell? It's kinda furry...I took a closeup shot of one of the rocks. Also there is still a brown growth that is not furry that is gone when the lights first kick on & then by the time they kick off it's pretty much covering everything again. Also what the heck is the green mossy stuff on the flow thing? That just started. Should I scrub it off? As for my tang.... She's better today! Still has the spots but they are smaller. Thanks John, Glenn, and screwloose..haha..don't know your real name! You guys are all so good to respond to my posts though & I really do appreciate it. Even though you have varying opinions I take it all into consideration! I feel kinda stupid asking questions for every little thing! But I don't want any more dead fish! Thanks!!! Jen
Hey Jen - I think your tank looks very nice ! Might can offer a couple of tips, that might help on the green HA algae. First a couple of questions... Tell me about your cuc (clean up crew) what does it consist of & how many? How often are you doing water changes? What % at a time? How many hours a day do you run your lights? Are your running carbon? If so, how old is it & how often are you changing it? Do you run any GFO - Granular Ferric Oxide (Phosphate Remover)?
